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Post by gayle on Jun 30, 2013 12:10:25 GMT -5
There are several different types of Buffs some buffs are eWh Co Mh Di (Di = changes red to buff)
then there are other lines that are -may also be other E locus alleles, plus Db, Cb. Db = darkbrown Cb = champagne blond inhibits red/gold)
And I'm sure by now alot of these lines have been crossed.
So there are Buffs out there that are possibly sitting on the eb (partridge brown) locus and some on the eWh(wheaten locus)
The id+ dark shank gene has been sometimes accidentally put in some of the Buff lines
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Post by lildinkem on Jun 30, 2013 20:31:43 GMT -5
These Buff Sports are from Joyce. Their daddy won Grand Champ at the Indiana State Fair Junior Poultry Show I believe in 2010 and 2011. Back to back years is what Joyce told me. For that reason alone is giving no doubts in using her Sports. I like the size on the 2 new Buff Sport pullets, I have 4 Buff Sport girls total. I have had my line of Buffs for 5 years and breed brother to sister in some breedings and for now have never had any dark legs or blue legs from them. Not saying it is not inherit in them. Just I never had any. I do not know how Joyce's line breeds. But I will know here soon. I have these 2 new girls in the pen with the part Patterson line White male. I believe size is inherit. The Patterson White Wyandotte cock 2 years ago won Grand Champ at Greenville's show. He has some of Doug White Rock line in them. Their very nice. I am sure what threw me off is that the big 13 lbs one year old Cuckoo cock I used with your girls Gayle had some White pullets. Their the ones with the Bluer legs. For now I just hatched out some of this Cuckoo's eggs with some Black girls. I expect to have some of his daughters being Black. I am going to use him and his Cuckoo brother who I like better both with some White girls. I have no fear no of what to expect.
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Post by crystalwhite on Jun 30, 2013 20:53:47 GMT -5
hello, I bred a buff cock over some white pullets.That cross made sold black chicks when they hatched there was no white down on them.In hope of crossing them back to my whites to improve size and type.Now out of that cross i cull down to one cockerel and two pullets.How would i go about breeding them. David
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Post by lildinkem on Jul 1, 2013 14:41:49 GMT -5
hello, I bred a buff cock over some white pullets.That cross made sold black chicks when they hatched there was no white down on them.In hope of crossing them back to my whites to improve size and type.Now out of that cross i cull down to one cockerel and two pullets.How would i go about breeding them. David Davy my first cross was an Akers hen with an Meyer hatchery mutt mix Black cock. I never got any solid color chicks from them. I only hatched out 5 and kept the Dun/Silver splash male. I am just guessing you white may have some black in his history. Just a guess. I would not have expected a solid black down chicks. They still may express the red as they grow out. The closest I made with what your doing is last year I bred my Brown/Red cock I call Harold to some Blacks. The offspring they produced far as males goes threw the Brown/Red gene, but only about a half dozen red feathers on each wing and next to zero in the hackles. Those that had the red feathers did not show them till they were 6 months old or older. You may still have to grow them out to that age to know if you will have the same result. On a side note. Concerns have been raised about my "Rumpless" Cuckoo being around too long. Well, I sent a feeler email to my long time ole friend Larry Lee that he can have Mongo. Mongo will have the size that his uncle has. If Larry Lee takes him, he will most likely have the only LF Rumpless Feathered Shank Cuckoo Orp on the planet. So, Mongo has that going for him. IF Larry Lee turns down the offer I will auction him off on Rare Breeeds Auction Site. Harry says is was not too long ago that some of the Rumpless world would pay top dollar for Mongo. Mongo just pawn in life, he don't care who raises him as long as Mongo 's belly is full.
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Post by lildinkem on Jul 1, 2013 17:49:05 GMT -5
Just got an email back from Larry Lee. he has too many boys. So, I guess I will raise this boy up some and then to the auction he will go. Here is a pic of his mom. She is on the right. She is at least 21 inches tall. Prolly more like 22 inches. I expect mongo to live up to his name.
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Post by gayle on Jul 2, 2013 20:55:08 GMT -5
hello, I bred a buff cock over some white pullets.That cross made sold black chicks when they hatched there was no white down on them.In hope of crossing them back to my whites to improve size and type.Now out of that cross i cull down to one cockerel and two pullets.How would i go about breeding them. David If you have solid black chicks it is possible that your whites are sitting on black,you knocked the white off on the first cross. Believing that your buff rooster is Id/Id and your white hen Id. most breeders would suggest a test mating of F1 to F1 should get a percentage whites in return hopefully with light shanks. also some might suggest taking the F1 rooster and breeding him back to parent female stock.
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Post by crystalwhite on Jul 3, 2013 19:29:37 GMT -5
Thanks lildinkem and Gayle i appreciate all the help. David
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Post by lildinkem on Jul 4, 2013 15:14:22 GMT -5
Bill
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Post by lildinkem on Jul 9, 2013 21:12:21 GMT -5
Your welcome.
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Post by lildinkem on Jul 9, 2013 21:17:11 GMT -5
Here are a couple of volunteers for splitting White. Their 2 of 3 White Columbians, not trying to make em, they just popped out. Their mom is one of my Buff Columbian hens and the Silver Cuckoo dad. Same bird. The 2nd oldest chick
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Post by gayle on Jul 10, 2013 10:57:23 GMT -5
Here are a couple of volunteers for splitting White. Their 2 of 3 White Columbians, not trying to make em, they just popped out. Their mom is one of my Buff Columbian hens and the Silver Cuckoo dad. Same bird. The 2nd oldest chick It appears that you are using recessive sex-linked gold and dominant sex linked silver. If you put a sex-link silver rooster on sex-linked gold hen, you would normally end up with silver roosters carrying/hiding one copy of gold and silver hens. the recessive white would be knocked off and and each bird would be carrying/hiding one copy of recessive white. If you put a buff rooster (recessive sex-link gold) on a silver hen(dominant sex link silver) hen the rooster will come out silver hiding one copy of gold and the hens would come out buff. This is what hatcheries doe so they can identify the males and females when they hatch.
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Post by Jon Alden on Jul 10, 2013 22:21:57 GMT -5
They also have the barred gene...
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Post by lildinkem on Jul 11, 2013 9:41:40 GMT -5
Thanks Gayle & Jon.
I like these White Columbians type. Come next season I will be happy to take them back to White to get the full rounded breast and hopefully larger heads.
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Post by lildinkem on Jul 11, 2013 9:41:55 GMT -5
I also will have these Cuckoos who are already split to White to play with. They too have the barring gene. Should be a lot of fun.
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Post by lildinkem on Jul 24, 2013 19:30:27 GMT -5
Updated pic of my White Columbian. Or what ever you choose to call him. I know I will take him to a couple of White pullets. Why not, I love his chest.
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