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Post by d12chandler on Nov 23, 2012 21:39:38 GMT -5
Dave, do you have to get this at the vets?
don
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Post by gayle on Nov 24, 2012 13:44:31 GMT -5
I have seen that there are breeders who use moxidectin (cydectin or vetdectin) to worm their chickens. Has anyone on this forum tried moxidectin? Gayle, We have been using this product on the advice of some very serious pigeon breeders as well as those who keep various exotic pheasants and waterfowl. Some of the exotics and wildfowl are extremely sensitive to worm loads of any amount or sort so those people don't fool around. What they use has got to work. We have been happy with the ease of using this product as well as the impression that we haven't had any problems with any kind of worm load. We are not able to have cost effective fecals done to be sure so all we have to go on is the birds rude good health and overall results. Margin of safety is supposed to be huge as well so that over dosing should not be an issue. Dissolve 1 tube Quest horse wormer paste (not Quest Plus) into two litres of very warm water. This is your stock solution. I tablespoon of stock solution per gallon of water. This is their drinking water for at least a large part of the day. We have never seen a bird act as though they knew anything was added or refuse to drink. If two litres of stock is more than is needed the graduated dispensor of paste type wormer makes it possible to make far less stock. Any unused stock will keep in the frig for several days though we have never done that. Unused wormer still in the tube will keep until the expiration date on the box it comes in. Davek Thank You for the info on dosing. Gayle
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Post by gayle on Nov 24, 2012 14:33:47 GMT -5
Moxidectin is considered a safe and preferred wormer. I'm interested in trying it on our birds.
Here is some info from other breeders.
I believe I have seen the paste tubes in Rural King and Tractor supply type stores. So I appreciate the info on how to use the paste tubes Thanks again.
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Post by vickiservi on Nov 27, 2012 18:15:50 GMT -5
If you butcher out your chickens, and have fecal done with low worm load, would you still give your chickens a dose of wormer?
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Post by d12chandler on Nov 27, 2012 18:53:59 GMT -5
I think it would have to be how long before butcher day. Next week, I wouldn't think so, any longer the worms cost you money. I think I would like to have a healthy one to eat. After you look at Gayles pics it might make you think worm. Worms slows down the birds production.
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Post by reniespeeps on Dec 1, 2012 19:46:37 GMT -5
Standing up waving ~~ hey everyone... I know it is has been a while since I have been here.
My birds were in a heavy molt and not laying... Soo I decided it would probably be a good time to worm them for the winter. I used the goat wormer in their waterers. So far I am not seeing any feather problems.
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Post by d12chandler on Dec 1, 2012 19:55:46 GMT -5
I used to have sheep for alot of years, I used Ivomec on the boys before turning out. There was a story in the sheep breeders paper that a guy wrote not to use Ivomec on breeding rams, it made them unfertile. He had to have other problems, everyone I knew with sheep was using Ivomec. I think there can always be two sides of a story. Mineral programs are very important in sheep and I'm sure poultry also. We just know it's in our complete rations we buy.
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Post by onehorse on Jan 3, 2013 7:36:10 GMT -5
As for Safeguard, I don't bother with it, as it is not considered an effective wormer in most parts of the world, not just the US, but 3rd world countries are having resistance issues with it, so unless I am PowerPacing with it (5 day daily treatment at 2 - 3X the normal dosage, yes this is a standard treatment, used for tapeworm in mammals), I don't bother with it. As for Moxidectin, I would be very, very careful with it. It is a powerful, but very good wormer, but it is very easy to over dose with it. Many people killed a lot of foals and ponies with it when Fort Dodge first came out with it. The overdose level with Moxidectin is 5, versus, 25 with Ivermectin and 70 with Safeguard products.
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Post by d12chandler on Jan 3, 2013 15:34:37 GMT -5
Safeguard as in horse or goat wormer? Or is it all the same. I haven't looked at the label yet.
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Post by onehorse on Jan 3, 2013 16:15:18 GMT -5
Safeguard is Safeguard, Fenbendazole. The goat formula is 3X stronger then the horse, but still the same drug. With any worming, you should always use the least powerful drug that you can, but at a dosage that will be effective at killing everything, so that you don't create or try to minimize a resistance issue, but there have been so many cases of resistance already to Safeguard, that I don't consider it effective. My vet recommended using one product until it became ineffective and then switch to something else. And something to think about, there isn't any wormers out there that are more powerful then Moxidectin, so once we have a resistance to that, we don't have too many options.
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