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Post by d12chandler on Feb 1, 2011 19:02:38 GMT -5
When I started, I had a foam bator, got a turner and the little fan, worked like a charm. without the fan I didn't do very good. I ended up with 3 foam with turners and one for hatching. Then I got a sportsman, had for like 25 years and is still working good. On foam I think the fan is a must.
Don
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Post by Jon Alden on Feb 1, 2011 19:19:15 GMT -5
Yea I have a still air foam bator and I think that the wafer thermometer is broken in it. I am looking at a used cabinet bator right now and if that doesnt work then ill probably get a genesis.
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Post by bamachicken on Feb 1, 2011 22:40:31 GMT -5
Jon I think your girls have a really great color. Nice rich gold. I hate it when I lose a good one. I have several incubators but I think the best one is a old Hovabator with two windows and it does have the circulated air. Someone gave it to me years ago and it has always held temp well and i have hatched hundreds of chicks in it. I have a cabinet incubator but i now only use it for the incubation process and hatch in the hovabator. I have a preset temp hova bator but I don't like it as good as the old one.
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Post by powerpoultry on Feb 4, 2011 14:25:47 GMT -5
Hi guys over the pond here is a couple of our pullets one has the right u one is a a bit long in back Fun part what do you think is right for showing?
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Post by lildinkem on Feb 4, 2011 15:03:22 GMT -5
Hi guys over the pond here is a couple of our pullets one has the right u one is a a bit long in back Fun part what do you think is right for showing? Karen I don't think any would get snubbed at a Show around here. IF I have to pick just one to be packed up and sent to me, I would take the top girl in the first pic. Their all very nice. Great Buffs are not easy to come by.
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Post by bamachicken on Feb 4, 2011 17:06:50 GMT -5
All beautiful. Great color. For me personally I like a little more U in the back. We really appreciate you sharing your photos with us.
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Post by pinegrov on Feb 10, 2011 21:51:24 GMT -5
Jon,
Where do you live? I may have eggs later on. Right now I'm setting all of my buff eggs. I have 9 large fowl buffs out now. I'v got 20 fertile eggs ready to hatch in a week or so.
Vern
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Post by Jon Alden on Feb 11, 2011 18:41:21 GMT -5
Im in IL, thanks for the offer I hope you get good hatches. I havent seen an egg from my hen in awhile, I only have gotten one egg a day from my 7 LF hens for the past month most of the time its frozen. Its supposed to be warm this weekend so i hope to get some good ones to for hatching.
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Post by reniespeeps on Feb 14, 2011 9:20:45 GMT -5
Yep... I would be thrilled to have either of them.. but I prefer the U backed one.
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Post by lildinkem on Feb 17, 2011 12:15:41 GMT -5
Hi Bill,The Buffs were some Paul Hardy had ten years ago.I do not know what bloodline they were and when he got sick (about 5 years ago)he sold all his Buff Orpingtons. I was reading your post on the NH colored male you raised.I think it was possible that NH could have came out of RIReds,as RIReds were a composite breed having a very mixed ancestry,Buff Cochin,Brown Leghorn,Red Malay,Games,Aseel,etc. I have had birds come out of crosses that look about like that too,I think it is dilute,and black tailed Red with perhaps extenders?Those with on duckwing can look similar too and tend to have gray under color and black tails,those on wheaton can be all red with red under color. You could use this bird(Red male/white legs)if of good size and orp type,back onto your dark Buff hens.I would save only the best daughters and take them back again to pure Buff Orp males,It will takes about 3 years,but you could get some deep buffs with strong under color and quill color,if you want to deepen your shade of buff.It is another project but it will work.
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Post by lildinkem on Feb 17, 2011 12:17:44 GMT -5
I am very lucky to know two of the very best Buff minds in poultry. One is here in our club. And the other is now spoon feeding me just tremendous ideas on how to maintain and better my Buff Orp's color. Dan is the fellow who most generously is sharing his books on Orpingtons, like Hubbard's Poultry Secrets. In which I have purchased a professionally copied book and an ORIGINAL edition signed by Charles Henry Hubbard himself that was gifted to a legendary Leghorn breeder of a hundred years ago"Richard Harwood". I have the copied book, and have paid and awaiting the original, which soon will be here and I plan on sharing info with all breeders. What is nice about Dan, he has out of the box ideas that he practices to keep the richest and most beautiful Buffs on the planet that are his Buff Leghorns. As a few may have seen, I shared a pic of my mixed BO/SS cockerel on SHOWBIRDBID forum in the New Hampshire forum of my creation. Dan, being a very forward thinking man, wrote me today with a new game plan for the future of how to make my Buffs color even better. Again, I like to share ideas here with my friends. Especially the few who raise Buffs. For those Buff fans, I am going thru with Dan's suggestion in how to use my birds to the fullest and for the best in my Orp programs. In this case what I am doing will be available to all once I get some chicks on the ground, for you Buff breeders to take back to your Buff program and make some eye popping rich gorgeous colored Buff colored Orps. I know there is only a few here on our forum. And my creation will be available to all who have them first. Unfortunately, I only will be able to help Lage Fowl Buff Orps initially here. But the idea is being shared with all. I could die tomorrow and I'd hate to have not done the right thing and share Dan's thought with all. Dan would love to have all have the very best looking Buff color for eveyone to enjoy. Me being me will be happy as well to let you know how another Master Buff breeder's mind works. Here is the email I recieved today concerning my Buff Orp/Speckled Sussex mix and how we will better our Buffs. Anyone who wants some of the offpring from either my Buff crossed with this fella OR some offspring from thi fella and his sis just needs to let me know. I want everyone to have great Buffs. Hope some will be wanting to try to use these guys and not let me, and me only have all the FUN! The BO/SS cross. And another potential use for my Pumpkinhead cockerel. Dan's email I copied had been to my reply over me druelling over these Buffs, he sent a pic to me. Hi Bill,The Buffs were some Paul Hardy had ten years ago.I do not know what bloodline they were and when he got sick (about 5 years ago)he sold all his Buff Orpingtons. I was reading your post on the NH colored male you raised.I think it was possible that NH could have came out of RIReds,as RIReds were a composite breed having a very mixed ancestry,Buff Cochin,Brown Leghorn,Red Malay,Games,Aseel,etc. I have had birds come out of crosses that look about like that too,I think it is dilute,and black tailed Red with perhaps extenders?Those with on duckwing can look similar too and tend to have gray under color and black tails,those on wheaton can be all red with red under color. You could use this bird(Red male/white legs)if of good size and orp type,back onto your dark Buff hens.I would save only the best daughters and take them back again to pure Buff Orp males,It will takes about 3 years,but you could get some deep buffs with strong under color and quill color,if you want to deepen your shade of buff.It is another project but it will work.
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Post by Jon Alden on Feb 17, 2011 17:18:12 GMT -5
From what I understad Paul Hardy either still has Buff Orps or has gotten some back because he is advertising them in the Poultry Press and on his site. www.hardypoultry.com/bo.htm
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Post by Jon Alden on Feb 17, 2011 17:52:37 GMT -5
I was thinking about the genetics of the matter and I think that your two Buff Columbian birds (SS/BO) get the columbian gene from the Sussex and the buff dilutes the Red to get that Orange Buff color. These guys should also carry the mottled gene so if you cross these two together then they should get some Mille/Speckled/Jubilee mottled and some more columbian birds.
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Post by lildinkem on Feb 17, 2011 18:00:13 GMT -5
I was thinking about the genetics of the matter and I think that your two Buff Columbian birds (SS/BO) get the columbian gene from the Sussex and the buff dilutes the Red to get that Orange Buff color. These guys should also carry the mottled gene so if you cross these two together then they should get some Mille/Speckled/Jubilee mottled and some more columbian birds. I am sorry Jon, when you just made this post my heart skipped a beat. I just called and Paul is out playing with his Leghorns, Sandra says they no longer have Orpingtons, Buff or any other varieties. I told her I would be happy to give them some for free to get him back involved in our Orps. I am suppose to call back around 7pm tonite just to talk to Paul. She is a very sweet and bubbly nice lady. And says Paul would love to talk chicken with me. MAYBE we can get him back involved with Buffs. She said Dan Honour's name did not ring a bell. But, Paul may know Dan. Dang why could I have not got into the hobby 5 years ago!
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Post by d12chandler on Feb 17, 2011 18:03:06 GMT -5
I don't think he has his buffs anymore. He sold all of then to Supieror Farm. He did have Coulter stuff.
Don
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