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Post by gayle on Oct 9, 2012 18:05:05 GMT -5
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Post by gayle on Oct 9, 2012 18:08:54 GMT -5
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Post by aveca on Oct 15, 2012 19:41:59 GMT -5
My vet left here yesterday, took blood last wed on blue orp..he had crumbly feathers weepy eye , surived weasle attack..was on antibiotics for a very long time,as a baby was having difficult time with infection..he also had pale comb and it should have been more red by now..i was scared to death he had mycoplasma..yet none of the other birds were sick..no matter what he was fed, he remained with very dry feathers.. paleish comb.vet asked me had i noticed this kind of tremor when he walks, i said yes but i thought he was just akward..she said he had mild mycotoxicosis..the stagger in his walk was like a poisoning..due to the prolonged use of antibiotics he was more suseptibke like a person to yeast infections ect..she told me to throw out the flock block with fish meal..it has a shelf life of about 3 weeks yet the stores kep them for many months , in high humid regions it begins blooming toxic molds..she wants me to not feed him on the ground feeder outside any more..spillage in the heat and humidity very bad ...he is in worming schedule, lice powder used regularly, so no one could figure out the pale comb..vet stopped in last night..she said the paleish comb is from mold toxins, also called pale bird syndrome, causes malabsorbtion .she gave a vitamin with selenium and vit a... wearing gloves, had me set up the lawn chairs , i held the bird she massaged aroud his eye pressed a long swab into left side of roof of mouth with a liquid she soaked it in..a bulge apeared in corner of eye, grabbed it with paper towel..it was eye worm..gross!!...no other birds had this, she said it is rare in this area..possible migratory birds warmer winters..she repeated this several times..and told me to remove any more debrie left a bottle of eye drops.for tommorrow...i am so releived to know there was an answer ..but told the bird he better lay a golden egg because it cost a lot to find it out..
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Post by bamachicken on Oct 15, 2012 22:43:30 GMT -5
Lynn your just blessed to have a vet that will see birds. There is no one here. When i nearly lost Charlie one year I had to figure it out by myself and pray a lot. I talked my pharmasist into giving me Nystatin liq drops. He had a fungus in his throat. Two days later he was like new. I have stopped putting grass clipping and leaves in pens for litter. In fact I keep them racked out now.
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Post by aveca on Oct 16, 2012 8:37:00 GMT -5
You know, there are very few bird vets..i didnt think about that..maybe because cornell is so close by here, they had a lot of people studying in ornthology dept..Julie, i was so distressed about this bird..i just love him..at first i tried to figure it out for myself..tried cider vinegar in water, tried all sorts of little things..but nothing changed..she kind of knew when she saw him walking it was mycotoxicosis..he had a bit of a stammer to gait..pale comb..it started after weasle attack..he had several rounds of antibiotics which made him more prone..the high humidity and hot summers make feed on the ground like a petrie dish..i never thought a thing of it..the others must have a resistance to it..i am just so releived..thank God you were able to figure out what was happening to Charlie..it would have been devestating.. lesson learned for a lot of people...feeds only in dry areas and no more blocks..i know these molds are everywhere..they were saying something about they had innoculated a broier flock taking a tiny bit of the fungus scratch it on comb goes into blood creates antibodys..but iwill have to ask more about that..probably not anything im going to tackle..she told me that with the weather molds , fungus have exploded in regions where they were not really a problem..
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Post by d12chandler on Oct 16, 2012 14:34:37 GMT -5
Do feed mills check for this? Buying pellets you never know whats in it.
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Post by gayle on Oct 16, 2012 18:21:53 GMT -5
our feed mill has been checking for the levels of mycotoxins in grain. From what I understand there will always be minute levels of mycotoxins in grain, but when the level gets to high it can become deadly to grain fed animals. At this point we have been told that we can only get cracked corn with Mold X put in the feed. and our feed mix has mold X and something else put in the feed to bring down the toxic level in the feed. Now surely commercial processed feed is checked and government inspected so they are safe to go on the retail market. Because those commercial feed companies might get in big trouble if they sell commercil feed high in mycotoxins which would kill off livestock.
Now with wild life they believe in general that when they consume theses grains out of the field that they also will comsume other foliage that will bring down the level of toxins per volume of food that they eat. They can only hope. The migratory birds could suffer greatly if they consume to much of these toxic grains.
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Post by korfuskluckers on Oct 16, 2012 23:51:44 GMT -5
When I have a few more minutes I will post what happened to me and mycotoxins. Bad stuff.
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Post by aveca on Oct 17, 2012 13:35:53 GMT -5
Any info on this subject is so helpful plus peoples experience and treatments with it Christina, my vet and i sat out for a few minutes and talked..she said , lynne, you willed that chicken to live, she said he was such a mess after the weasle attack she didnt think he would live a few hours let alone ever stand up..he did..but this adventure in mycotoxicosis was another story..
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Post by korfuskluckers on Oct 25, 2012 0:37:58 GMT -5
Several years ago, I had bought feed from a local farmer. He milled all his own grains. It had ground wheat, oats, corn, peas with the vitamins and copper sulfate. Everything went good for weeks. Finally, one day I noticed one of my pullets had a huge area next to her beak swelling. I picked her up and inspected inside her mouth. It was a white/brownish colored sore on the inside of her mouth in the corner where the beak attaches. I have seen canker a long time ago. One of my pet bantam chickens had it when I was a kid. I researched it a little and found you can treat it with Flagyl (Fishzole) at the pigeon supply stores. A week passed and this pullet was showing no improvement. Concerned, I started to look in other chickens mouth. All over their mucus membranes were tiny White to brownish colored patches, they looked just like canker sores that humans get. I finally broke down and called the state vet. He wanted me to send in one bird for necropsy. It was after I had made all the selections for the year. I decided to put down one of my old blue hens. I got the results back in a few days and it was T-2 mycotoxin poisoning. The state vet asked me to pull the birds off the feed I was feeding. I sent in a sample of the feed and it had high levels of this fungus. I returned the 3/4 of the ton to the farmer. He was quite surprised. I asked him how much copper sulfate he put in the feed. He was putting 1/4 of a pound per ton. The recommended dosage is 2 lb per ton. I was told by the vet I probably saved my birds from liver damage because of the treatment with flaygl. A week passed and all the lesions cleared up. I am glad to be done with that experience and hope no one will ever have to deal with what I went through.
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Post by bamachicken on Oct 25, 2012 18:08:02 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing. That is some valuable info
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Post by aveca on Oct 25, 2012 18:17:44 GMT -5
Yes it is ..thank God you figured it out befor it did cause liver damage..
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