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Post by d12chandler on Sept 21, 2012 15:06:54 GMT -5
How much vinegar to a gallon of water?
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Post by gayle on Sept 22, 2012 1:38:50 GMT -5
4 tsp apple cider vinegar per gallon water 1 tsp per quart
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Post by gayle on Sept 30, 2012 12:09:30 GMT -5
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Post by d12chandler on Oct 1, 2012 18:04:08 GMT -5
Alot of the times the BIS may not be the best breeder. I know on a buff female those pepper in the tails don't go far. Cull them and check your color in a couple years. On the laying, I have most of my culled pretty good before they lay. I was on another board and this person was talking about her std buffs was 6 mo and they was laying. My std buffs don't lay until like 8 month. I wonder if there could be hatchery blood in them to get them to lay that early. Does anyone else get std buffs to lay at 6 mo old?
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Post by aveca on Oct 2, 2012 7:16:49 GMT -5
Don, was it during the heat wave might have put them off? Or is that the rule of thumb ...Good question..my blk orp hen started at around 10 months..quit for the rest of the winter, then started up again next spring..layed an egg every other day, then is getting ready to molt, quit again around 1 st of sept..and not one egg since..she isnt egg bound, shes out flying around the yard..i just wonder if crossing her outside of the group instead of father to daughter might fix some of that? Worth a try? The judges love her..
I had another strain of blk orps but they were very coarse, the females often had spurs, nice big birds, but just too coarse so i got rid of them quite a while ago kept 2 around that had been severly neglected befor i got them..took me a long time to bring them back to health.. felt they did their time, deserved a nice home in old age, i didnt breed them ..they were not any better with the egg laying , i wonder if a cross into english blks? Not quite sure what direction to go with it to improve this without sacrifising much type..
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Post by harrys on Oct 2, 2012 17:03:54 GMT -5
Aveca, If you are tallking about the UK Imported Blacks they lay very good especially from Bama's line. Be careful if you are inquirying abourt English blacks since all Orpingtons are considered English even the hatchery stock. The Con Artists use that concept to take advantage of others on the internet.
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Post by aveca on Oct 2, 2012 19:14:58 GMT -5
Appreciate it Harry..I am a person that just likes to show, most anything of any value is far away from my area..i got some australorp hatching eggs this year, the girl sent me lot of pics of the birds.really nice looking birds in the pics..100% of them hatched, but what hatched out were jersey giants..mustard yellow feet..had to give them to 4Hers.....
i do have a blue from Roger..I lost a lot to a one night weasle rampage.it was devestating to walk out to my nice clean barn and see the birds all torn up....sat right on the ground and cried, husband had to take the birds away... took every single one i was grooming to show..All i really want to do is lay down a nice foundation to work in.. but could use a little guidence..we have since fixed all windows ect with weasle proof wire, and dont think they cant climb up the side and go in through the roof, they can and will..we will be building a big barn soon,you have to have so many lines of defence keep the best birds in the green zone..the excavators have us on the list to move things around..but everyone so busy right now..
I do appeciate any advise you have..
The thing i really like about this blue ( had 4 until weasle rampage) is the neck configuration into back, the depth of keel , nice dark lacing....big dark eye lots of expression ,im not real sure about the story on where he got them, maybe Joy....there is somthing very attractive about these birds..i would like to keep a line of them going, with some help.
The english are amazingly slow to develop, they seem to budget their time between putting on feathers and meat..at 4 months the english is the biggest bird here..but not sure why all of the other birds that were same age from australorp to blk orp had red in comb while this one is still pinkish..that is a mystery to me..by all means it looks male to me..
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Post by aveca on Oct 2, 2012 19:25:05 GMT -5
I do want to add to that , the girl with the australorps was very nice, when i showed her the foot soles on the birds as they grew, she said her kids collected some from wrong pen, other people who wanted the giants got the australorps..she was very nice offered to send more...i didnt feel like hatching any more at that point..i was frustrated thou, been poking along at the australorp thing too long to have another set back....i have very good relationship with people i get the eggs from, never been a problem, if something goes wrong, its on my end nothing to do with them unless infertil..usually its when i am forced to move them around or something like that, a themostate went on me once wound up moving them too soon..that was my fault..it my rule, i never blame the breeder who worked so hard to get them too me...
I dont think people appeciate how hard it is when your trying to figure it all out by yourself, like reading a book and thinking you can ride a dressage horse compared to actually having lessons from instructor to work on..i know i have a lot of work to do and a lot to learn..
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Post by corncob1 on Oct 3, 2012 21:26:37 GMT -5
Just trying to learn, is better to cull for better color over better conformation? Is iearly maturity more positive than later maturity ? Some of the time i have a leggy rooster with good color that is hard to cull or a big hen that is real slow to lay. But we can not keep them all !
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Post by gayle on Oct 8, 2012 12:24:46 GMT -5
Just trying to learn, is better to cull for better color over better conformation? Is iearly maturity more positive than later maturity ? Some of the time i have a leggy rooster with good color that is hard to cull or a big hen that is real slow to lay. But we can not keep them all ! A lot of old time breeders would say build the house first then paint it. Build the size and the type of the bird first then start on the color. And of course a lot of your old time breeders stressed birds that mature early ususally end up smaller than birds who take longer to mature. So far I have found this to be true. Another old time breeder use to preach: Your hens will determine your type while your roosters will determine your size. BUT they say if you have a big robust typy hen you can put a smaller rooster (who is genetically from birds who are large) on the hen and get good type large offspring. Another old time breeder use to preach your rooster will determine feather quality and tail quality. If you want soft feathers use a soft feathered rooster if you want hard feathers use a hard feather rooster. Your rooster will have a strong influence on tail angles. Here is an article from the UOC website on determining leg length in the breeding pen. www.unitedorpingtonclub.com/breedingexhibitiontips.htm
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