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Post by gayle on May 27, 2014 9:54:13 GMT -5
Sounds complicated to me. Does that mean a newby to breeding orpingtons, sould just buy blues. Instead of tring to make them. If you like to experiment and be creative, you will enjoy the experience of developing blues. there is alot of information on the blue forum, from different breeders on developing blues. At first it don't seem to make a lick of sense. but as your start working with it and talking to different people who do it. It will start coming together. I am still learning. when I first started I had it all backwards.
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Post by sgtilton on May 27, 2014 14:21:40 GMT -5
I love my buff orpingtons and they will always be my primary birds, but I am REALLY excited to try getting into Blues when I have a chance. I know they are much more difficult, but I love the look of them.
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Post by Fred Kokke on May 29, 2014 7:28:39 GMT -5
Thanks to Don. I now have my blacks. Next year I will think about maybe making blues. They sure look good Don
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Post by Jon Alden on Jul 7, 2014 16:43:13 GMT -5
Gayle, there was a discussion on another forum and one of the people said that it is when the blues have edging rather than lacing that the blacks from them develop what appears to be the black lacing, and not the actual lacing itself. Do you think that could be what some are seeing and what your genetics friend was talking about?
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Post by gayle on Jul 8, 2014 0:30:06 GMT -5
Gayle, there was a discussion on another forum and one of the people said that it is when the blues have edging rather than lacing that the blacks from them develop what appears to be the black lacing, and not the actual lacing itself. Do you think that could be what some are seeing and what your genetics friend was talking about? Dominant Melanotic Ml is one of many black intensifyers that contributes to making birds Black. It has been expressed that this Melanotic tends to concentrate on the edge of the feathers. Melanotic by itself will not form a crisp lacing. When the Black is carrying the dominant Pg gene it will contribute to running the melanotic gene around the feather edge. But there still will not be a crisp lacing. The Co restrictor is needed to to push the black to the edge of the feather to form a crisp lacing. So basically what those people are saying is true. Poorly laced Blues come out of blacks that lack the genetics to make a crisp black lacing. I believe they are referring to blues that come from blacks that lack strong black intensifiers. If you use weak sloppy blacks to make blues, you will have sloppy blues. And they in turn will produce weak sloppy blacks. Like you have heard said. Some people think they have black birds but they really don't they just have dark birds. Alot of people are making blues out of dark birds(weak blacks lacking black intensifiers).
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Post by gayle on Jul 8, 2014 0:39:13 GMT -5
Good blues should produce blacks that are extremely black and carry a rich green sheen. If the black edging is to evident on the black birds then that black bird is lacking melanizers and black intensifiers. Which would make it a dull black or maybe just a dark bird.
When Playing around with blues. when I finally got a half way decent lacing on my Blues. And the blue was clean no rust etc, etc. The blacks from then were exceptionally solid black with a green sheen. When my blues were sorta blah, the blacks from them were blah weak looking.
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Post by gayle on Jul 17, 2014 14:07:01 GMT -5
I looked at the forum and it appeared those were wyndotte breeders who were expressing the transformation from Blue to black may leave the off color edging. That may be the case, since wyndottes are on the eb locus. they are on the eb locus to keep their legs clean. As the picture show Wyndottes have clean legs minus the black and blue which is found on Blue and Black orpington legs. also Black and blue wyndotes have reddish bay eyes, while black and blue orpingtons have dark brown eyes. Changing wyndottes to blue may jeopardize the black intensifiers on wyndotes, Black and Blue orpingtons are either E or Er so they will have dark legs, plus alot of the black orpingtons have id+ recessive sex-linked dark shanks, which is a absolute no no on wyndottes. Wyndottes do not have the generous amount of black intensifiers that black orpingtons do.
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