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Post by lildinkem on Dec 17, 2013 21:51:10 GMT -5
Thanks Gayle. I am sure Joe will have a good go at making some with Orp type next season. I still may let him have my one Dun Birchen hen. I looked at her today and she is nice and healthy. I have so many different non standard Orp options. I may not get around to using her.
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jeremy
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Post by jeremy on Jan 8, 2014 22:10:22 GMT -5
My suggestion was going to be to outcross to Marans, too. They have the correct skin color, ear lobe color, and comb. Yes you would be breeding against feathered shanks, but there are worse things in the world. Type too would take several generations to fix, but if you're really adamant about the color...
I've considered using Marans myself to create Wheaten Orps.
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Post by gayle on Jan 9, 2014 12:14:15 GMT -5
Here is a website on the genetics of Marans www.marans.eu/genetiqa.htmA Quote from this website on Feathered legs. Quote as is expressed (Pti) is an autosomal dominant gene. on your first cross to recessive non feather leg orps. you will have feather leg birds who will be carrying one copy of the recessive non feather leg trait. so they should be heterozygous for non feather legs. on you second breeding to clean leg birds (recessives). you should statistically get 50% clean legs. But you know how statistics work, but you should start getting some clean leg birds. But it is possible also that there are marans out there which are carrying the recessive clean leg trait. not all marans in the US are feather legged birds.
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Post by scbatz33 on Jan 22, 2014 19:32:11 GMT -5
if you have two birds of similar type, would you use the male who's got less white with incomplete lacing or the male who has too much white but very nice lacing?
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Post by gayle on Jan 23, 2014 12:21:25 GMT -5
Test mating is usually the first step. The Objective is to maintain the Lacing and also maintain the Black/ melanizers. You talk to different breeders and they all have different breeding techniques. some breeders will tell you to breed extremes. That is put one perfectly marked bird in the pen and then put a bird in the pen that needs a little more white/lacing. As always with black birds you have to work on maintaining the black melanizers. Test mating is your best bet. Also there are breeders who claim to put perfectly marked birds together. If you have a bird that has to much white, most likely you will need to mate her with a bird that carries more melanizers. And talk to different breeders who have successfully raised well marked birchens. Birchen Orpingtons are not common in the United States. So if any of you decide to breed Birchens, keep documentations, it will be your knowledge which you have obtained, which will be a breakthrough in helping people raise Birchens. Unfortunately a lot of people will get started with these varieties and then quite because they get frustrated. Remember it is a Challenge not a Burden. Document every thing, good points and bad points.
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Post by gayle on Jan 23, 2014 13:03:47 GMT -5
If you want to get into hard core genetics, there are people on the coop .org who are well versed on genetics. But please share your knowledge here on the UOC web site.
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turnedluck
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Post by turnedluck on Jan 24, 2014 12:31:14 GMT -5
Hey Sarah Batz is that you.......?
Gayle coop .org goes to some tech site, nothing to do with chickens or genetics.
I want to try to make this happen without crossbreeding first. I want to talk Bill out of that hen...... you here me Bill...... LOL
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Post by gayle on Jan 24, 2014 16:41:05 GMT -5
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Post by scbatz33 on Jan 25, 2014 13:44:05 GMT -5
Thanks guys, I appreciate it. I will check out the thread. The way I see it, the first step is to try and correct the sussex. The hens have practically no color at all. I'm also gonna put in one of my black orp hens. while the Sussex are black, I have no idea what is behind them. It is possible they are as messed up underneath the black as the roosters. They do come from different breeders but I have no way of knowing what if any inprovements were made in either strain of the original line green fire imported and subsequently added the lights to.
If I can produce some decent Sussex I'll be more than thrilled. I'll take the ORP x chicks and breed the best back to each other and see if that will produce a decent marked birds
what I see in the very few birds that people are trying to create a "silver birchen" is the lack of the chest lacing. Birchen in the UK appears to be different then birchen in the US. Which I guess is why its called silver birchen? I'm looking to create this so it conforms to the APA definition of birchen.
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Post by scbatz33 on Jan 25, 2014 13:44:30 GMT -5
Hey Sarah Batz is that you.......? Gayle coop .org goes to some tech site, nothing to do with chickens or genetics. I want to try to make this happen without crossbreeding first. I want to talk Bill out of that hen...... you here me Bill...... LOL maybe
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