Gayle I made that bird I called BUSTOFF from crossing a Meyer hatchery Black mutt mix onto my Akers Buff hens. That bird appeared to be a Silver with Dun. I used him to Korfus Black hen. Made a line of Blacks from that cross. They have both Silver and Red from the Buff.
Here are pictures of UK birchens. to be a true silver birchen the male has to have white on the wing bows. And there has to be some lacing on the breast of the male and female. what is tricky about show hobby birchens is you have to be careful to not have to much lacing on the breast, but at the same time you have to make sure you have enough. so its a balancing act when it comes to setting up breeding pens. But it is worth it. At one time we had a few birchen modern game. Beautiful birds.
this hen is stunning, but I fear that a judge would express that she is carrying to much white and too much lacing on the breast. so he would probably suggest that she be mated to a rooster that is limited in lacing and has excess black. It is a balancing act.
Post by turnedluck on Dec 10, 2013 13:18:42 GMT -5
Gayle I appreciate your help. I am knew to chicken genetics and terminology. Please clear up duck wing/crow wing for me. Crow wing is when the primaries are black and duck wing is when the primaries match the hackle and saddle feathers, am I close....? LOL.
What advice would you give on this project? I want to eventually put birchen on black, chocolate and maybe blue. And the pics of Keith's Orps of UK is exactly what I am going for. It was his pic of a chocolate birchen bantam that drew my interest. I plan to initially put Bill's cockerel on some black and blue hens in the spring (they are too young yet). Then take some pullets back to there father and do some sibling mating. Hoping to set the pattern. Any suggestions?
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Breeder of Racing Pigeons and LF Orpingtons
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appears that Bill has tapped into the Birchen type genetics. It is possible that their is Birchen buried in some of the breeds especially the breeds that are coming into the United states. From what I've understand Brown reds can be E or Er. when you get your birds to have the color of the hackle on the wingbow and the lacing on the breast you are getting some where. and Bill's brown red looks like he has moved into that category. Now Dr. R Okimoto expressed that the show Andalusian are Er/Er of course they have been heavily melanised which will make the bird a solid black then is modified with genes to create the blue Andulusians. And it is possible that some of the show marans may be Er/Er.
A while back I did have some black orpingtons that if the melanizers became weak on them they would have white lacing on the front. when I look back I've always wondered if I had potential birchens??? At the time I was more concerned about pouring on the melanizers, I wan't thinking birchen.
There is a fairly large group of Maran breeders in the US. So you might be able to borrow the genetics from Silver birchen marans.
Here are a few pictures of Silver birchen marans, and I believe these are in the US. Just transfer this color onto an orpington and then keep working to construct the bird to Orpington type and you are on your way.
Gayle is Birchen's suppose to have White legs or Slate/Black? I know the boy I sent to Joe has the darker leg skin color. I still have one more male who is not as good in color as the one I sent to Joe but he will have some size. Forgot to mention Jonas has some tremendous Birchen doesn't he?
Gayle here is a pic of my 1st Birchen. He is a featherless legged Marans from Betty Joe down in Nashville IN.
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