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Post by aveca on Jul 12, 2013 20:45:08 GMT -5
im so sorry you had to go throu this..it may take a little time but it will work..you can give some water same way if you need to also just to keep dehydration down..its a lesson for all..f you use the medicated feeds next year, make sure to have vitamins in baby water..i honestly dont know why some birds get this worse than others..like people, everyone is different..one person will get a virus and barly get sick, another will get same virus and die..once they get to this stage you just have to fight for them a little..i only had it happen once years ago..it hasnt happened since..
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Post by chicksooner on Jul 12, 2013 23:16:18 GMT -5
I am changing back to non medicated feed and keeping vitamins in the water. After doing more reading the heat stress could have triggered it. They were already deficient and the extreme heat was more than they could handle. Well this was not the way I would have wanted to learn this lesson.
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Post by aveca on Jul 13, 2013 10:15:38 GMT -5
sounds like good idea...heat and dehydration contribute...if you ever need to ..it might be much easier for you to use the cocci vaccine than medicated feeds..its not injectable but added to water or given a drop in mouth..simple instructions, then you wont have to deal with this..much easier..dont understand why the feed cos havnt caught up with more b vits despite numerous complaints..coccsidosis will kill birds quite quickly that iswhy they add amphorillum to the feeds..gives babys a chance to be exposed to cocci, by about 3 months they are immune through that outside exposure..im switching to that vaccine next year ..dont like the balancing act trying to keep everything in balance when the feed cos should be doing it for me.
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Post by aveca on Jul 13, 2013 10:15:59 GMT -5
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Post by aveca on Jul 13, 2013 10:20:30 GMT -5
sounds like good idea...heat and dehydration contribute...if you ever need to ..it might be much easier for you to use the cocci vaccine than medicated feeds..its not injectable but added to water or given a drop in mouth..simple instructions, then you wont have to deal with this..much easier..dont understand why the feed cos havnt caught up with more b vits despite numerous complaints..coccsidosis will kill birds quite quickly that iswhy they add amphorillum to the feeds..gives babys a chance to be exposed to cocci, by about 3 months they are immune through that outside exposure..im switching to that vaccine next year ..dont like the balancing act trying to keep everything in balance when the feed cos should be doing it for me.
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Post by chicksooner on Jul 13, 2013 11:28:27 GMT -5
I didn't know there was a cocci vaccine. I will look into that. I switched from non medicated flock raiser to medicated chick feed when everyone started going broody and I had chicks everywhere. It is easier to keep track of a brooder box of chicks than it is chicks with mom running all over. There were a couple months this spring that it stayed really moist. Took the easier way out with medicated feed. Thanks for all your input. This has been a very trying and upsetting ordeal.
Oh I also looked up narcolepsy in chickens and she isn't falling asleep. She will hold her head up fine but a little cocked to the side but as soon as I touch her it drops down to her feet and she starts screaming. I had her outside yesterday evening and she walked around fine. she is eating and drinking a little.
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Post by d12chandler on Jul 13, 2013 11:49:43 GMT -5
I don't think there is a vaccine, or it could be new. Corid in the water works great.
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Post by gayle on Jul 13, 2013 19:21:55 GMT -5
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Post by aveca on Jul 13, 2013 20:37:59 GMT -5
excellent reading gayle...so true. here is cocci vaccine info..they sell it through vet supply..its the easiest vaccine to use.because it is not injectable..there are water vaccines, some that are eye drops and your injectables.. subcutanous, and intramuscular. its is funny that a water vaccine is called a vaccine..that is because any product that innoculates against disease is considered a vaccine. www.ihc-poultry.com/page/What_weve_learned_Coccidiosis_vaccines/527for broilers they use spray vaccine when the birds then preen..they gain exposure. Handle with care Although coccidiosis vaccination has matured into an easy and reliable coccidiosis-control method, producers have learned from experience that good results require proper vaccine administration and attention to management. “Properly administer these vaccines while they’re still fresh, and to get optimal results, adjust management as necessary. For instance, we’ve found that keeping chicks warm after they’re sprayed and exposing them to just 5 or 6 minutes of bright light promotes preening and uniform vaccine administration,” Broussard says. When moved to the farm, chicks should be on litter with a moisture level in a range of 15% to 30%. Stocking density should be reasonable; if it’s too high, litter moisture problems and high litter-oocyst density may occur, Broussard cautions. “By coupling coccidiosis vaccination with good early nutrition and some simple management changes, we can achieve excellent results in broiler flocks,” he says.
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Post by gayle on Jul 13, 2013 21:55:24 GMT -5
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Post by gayle on Jul 14, 2013 9:23:50 GMT -5
A long time ago we received a poultry newsletter on coccidiosis preventative methods. considering that its 4-8 wk old birds which are the most vulnerable. when putting them in their out door brooders. And of course the weather is warm and moist, perfect environment for coccidiosis. during this vulnerable time we give the young birds 1/8 to 1/4 tsp of corid in a gallon of water for about 7 days. we do this every year and so far works good. Also we had a veterinary suggest when moving the birds to outside brooders. spray brooder area with bleach and water. And on the floor before putting down the litter, powder the floor down with lime and the runs down with lime. This lime does not kill the cocci but it make it an unstable environment for cocci to flourish.
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Post by gayle on Jul 14, 2013 13:55:54 GMT -5
Gayle, thanks for the info. I didn't know this, I've had a few over the years and I just did away with them. Should a person start giving baby chicks some vits in there water like 2 times a week? You know I started feeding baby chick starter and never change over to gamebird breeder. Terry Britt did that and he had good luck and his birds was always super big. I'm not having a problem, a new member here in OK emailed and asked about wry neck. Don Nature is out for the challenge. there will always be cracks in our so called protective environment we try to set up for our birds. there is alot of obstacles out there. We feed our babychicks the same feed we feed the adult birds, but it is custom made at a mill which is suppose to have a correct vit content. ever once in a while we have a stargazer hatch, our only guess is the egg was nutrient deficient. Eggs can deteriorate fast.
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Post by gayle on Jul 14, 2013 14:10:15 GMT -5
From what I've seen. Any bird which is born with a problem should be removed from the breeding program. In closed flocks it is risky to keep running birds through the breeding program that are faulty and struggling with illness or ailing conditions. Declare the bird as pet quality, and do not allow them in the breeding program.
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