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Post by d12chandler on Jul 9, 2013 21:23:07 GMT -5
What cause young birds to get wry neck? I hope I'm spelling that right.
don
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Post by harrys on Jul 9, 2013 22:00:29 GMT -5
Don, You can download Merck"s Veterinary Manual off the internet but it does say sometimes it is a vitamin deficiency. There are other reasons also but did not read everything.
Harry
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Post by d12chandler on Jul 9, 2013 22:09:41 GMT -5
Thanks Harry, could you tell be how to download it!!!
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Post by harrys on Jul 10, 2013 7:15:49 GMT -5
Don, You will have to go thru google first and do a search like "Merck's Veterinary Manual Wry Neck".
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Post by aveca on Jul 10, 2013 9:18:06 GMT -5
When you use medicated feeds, the amphorillum to treat cocci can cancel out your B vitamins..they are not doing a great job of balancing this in the feeds...some slower growing developing birds arnt bothered as much.. birds have severe muscle contractions due to deficiency ...in emergency get poly sol vit or purple pedialite with NO IRON....in eye dropper to severe case ..milder cases will snap right out of it..bad case may take up to a week.....you just have to use vitamin in water with medicated feeds..bee keeping and poulry keeping are not like they were 50 years ago.
STAR GAZING is also wry neck..B vitamin deficient..also vit D or sunlight.
The B complex vitamins are water soluble and not stored to any significant extent in the body. They act in a broad range of metabolic pathways. Simple deficiency is now rare as diets are usually well supplemented. However, because a continuous supply is required, damage to the intestine or increased demand for some reason may have an effect. Most will reduce productivity, including growth in the young animal, and egg production in the layer. The embryo is particularly dependent on having adequate supplies of vitamins deposited in the egg. Vitamin deficiencies are especially prone to cause problems of hatchability. See the separate discussion under Chondrodystrophy and Fatty Liver and Kidney Syndrome.
Signs
These may be summarised:
Perosis Curled Toe Paralysis Paralysis/'Stargazing' Dermatitis/Scaly Skin Mouth Lesions Conjunctivitis Anaemia Fatty Liver and Kidney Syndrome Poor Feathering Loose feathers Hatchability problems Embryo with clubbed down Thiamine (B1) Riboflavin (B2) Pantothenic acid Pyridoxine (B6) Niacin Folic Acid Cyanocobalmin (B12) Biotin Post-mortem lesions
Usually the gross lesions are non-specific. Some deficiencies induce characteristic microscopic effects. Diagnosis
Signs, exclusion of specific diseases, response to supplementation. If it is suspected that the vitamin premix may not have been included in the ration (or included at too low a level) it may be appropriate (faster, less expensive) to analyse feed for a marker substance such as manganese rather than testing for vitamin levels.
Treatment
If a specific vitamin deficiency is suspected, drinking water supplementation with that vitamin is ideal and usually results in a rapid response in birds that are still drinking. Good quality multivitamin solutions are beneficial in the supportive care of a range of problems characterised by reduced feed intake. The balance of vitamins present should be similar to the daily nutritional requirement of the stock concerned.
Prevention
Adequate supplementation of the feed with all required vitamins in levels which both support normal productivity but also have enough overage to deal with the increased demands that often occur during periods of disease challenge.
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Post by gayle on Jul 10, 2013 11:14:49 GMT -5
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Post by gayle on Jul 10, 2013 11:21:14 GMT -5
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Post by gayle on Jul 10, 2013 11:32:19 GMT -5
they say if your babychick is a star gazer. they are in need of B1, Vit E, and selenium
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Post by gayle on Jul 10, 2013 12:38:38 GMT -5
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Post by gayle on Jul 10, 2013 13:03:16 GMT -5
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Post by d12chandler on Jul 11, 2013 11:25:57 GMT -5
Gayle, thanks for the info. I didn't know this, I've had a few over the years and I just did away with them. Should a person start giving baby chicks some vits in there water like 2 times a week? You know I started feeding baby chick starter and never change over to gamebird breeder. Terry Britt did that and he had good luck and his birds was always super big. I'm not having a problem, a new member here in OK emailed and asked about wry neck.
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Post by chicksooner on Jul 11, 2013 12:22:38 GMT -5
Thanks for all your help Don.
I have had 2 chicks get wry neck. I culled the first one. This one seems not as bad and is eating and drinking. I started poly vi sol last night and gave her some more this morning. How many times a day should I give the poly vi sol? She is 2.5 months old. They have been on medicated feed since hatch and I have started adding vitamin/electrolytes to the water to get thru the heat. From what I have read the medicated feed may keep them from absorbing vitamins so I am going to keep adding the vitamins to the water. I am also going to switch back to non medicated. My biggest concern now is if it is vitamin deficiency how do I keep the rest from getting wry neck.
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Post by chicksooner on Jul 12, 2013 11:03:32 GMT -5
My little wry neck is not doing any better. She has had a dropper full of poly vi sol 2x a day. she did eat some lettuce and tomato yesterday. she holds her head up and walks forward but as soon as I touch her she freaks out and it drops back down to her chest.
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Post by aveca on Jul 12, 2013 17:40:29 GMT -5
keep at it ...is the worse one able to get anything else to drink for itself? it will dehydrate ..some people give the poly vi every 2 hrs..if its a severe case..it might recover more quickly..say in a few days..once the birds starts to recover use the vitamins in water..at that point you will not need the poly vi the b vitamins are not stored in the body so you keep it going , very severe case might need for up to a couple weeks.. your description also mimics narcolepsy..
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Post by chicksooner on Jul 12, 2013 19:44:35 GMT -5
The really bad one was culled. This one is not bad unless I touch her. I will increase the poly vi sol and see if that helps. I feel bad for her and don't want to cull. If I can help her get even mostly better I will give her to someone to have as an egg chicken. Going to google narcolepsy in chickens and see what I find. Thanks.
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