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Post by bamachicken on Sept 18, 2012 19:38:28 GMT -5
He is out of a blue on blue breeding. I know these pics aren't that great but i was holding him down with one hand a shooting a pic with the other while trying to move his hackle feathers. AS i examined him he has white at the shafts of his hackle feathers as well as the base of his tail and some on parts of his feathers  Both of these shots are at his neck  You can see the white on his tail feathers and some up at his neck. When I part the feathes he has white down at the shafts. Crazy huh?  |
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Post by gayle on Sept 18, 2012 21:57:10 GMT -5
Julie This is a big guess, is it possible you have hatched an eb recessive black bird with sex-linked recessive id+ dark shanks. kippenjungle.nl/basisEN.htmThere are breeders who claim you can get better laced blues when they are setting on the eb locus. And you did state that this bird came from your blue breeding. There is a good chance that alot of your blacks and blues are E/eb. and you happened to hatch out an eb/eb based bird. Like I said I can only guess. |
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Post by gayle on Sept 18, 2012 22:32:17 GMT -5
Julie
If he is truely eb recessive black. I would not throw him away. You might want to check him for lacing and test mate him with your blue line.
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Post by bamachicken on Sept 19, 2012 7:18:10 GMT -5
Gayle I might do that as he has a perfect comb. I am going to let him finish out as he is only 7 months. I want to see what happens
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Post by gayle on Sept 20, 2012 11:03:22 GMT -5
Julie
If your bird is truely eb locus
This is similar to black wyandottes, from what I understand black wyandotes are sitting on the eb locus which is the asian partridge color, covered with black enhancers, melanizers to make the bird totally black. by using the eb locus it is easier to make clean yellow legged birds in wyndottes, but they have to be dominate Id light shank, which a lot of black orpingtons appear to be id+ dark shank. Birds sitting on the E locus or ER locus will also contribute to dark legs/ black in their legs.
In the standards it allows for 1 inch or less of white in the undercolor of wyndotes and leghorns on there saddle feathers and hackles. this is acceptable on black wyandottes and black leghorns, but even the breeders of these strains try to keep a control on this white undercolor.
The black orpington is to have a dull black undercolor since it sits on the E locus, but since we are now borrowing from the wyndotes we might end up with a few birds that are pure eb. which is OK just breed him back to another bird which has a dull black undercolor and some of the offsprings will come back with a possible E/eb dull black or slate colored undercolor.
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Post by gayle on Sept 20, 2012 11:32:09 GMT -5
There appears to be a lot of birds which sit on the eb locus wyandottes, cochins, Rocks, sussex (American), Brahmas, etc. etc, etc.
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Post by bamachicken on Sept 20, 2012 13:49:16 GMT -5
What do you think will happen If I put him over a splash pullet?
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Post by gayle on Sept 20, 2012 15:47:04 GMT -5
If he is carrying the pg gene you should have some good laced blue orpington offspring. If only we knew what the previous breeders used to make your blue laced line. We might be surprised. Watch your under color, you will have to work at controlling the white.
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Post by gayle on Sept 20, 2012 19:58:41 GMT -5
Julie
I don't know how you do it but you do come up with some unique genetics in chickens.
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Post by korfuskluckers on Sept 23, 2012 11:01:35 GMT -5
Looks like what you had pop up years ago, to cool.
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Post by bamachicken on Sept 23, 2012 15:27:44 GMT -5
I know. I am asking on a english forum I am on to see if any other orp breeders ever see this in there black and blues
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Post by gayle on Sept 23, 2012 18:44:29 GMT -5
I know. I am asking on a english forum I am on to see if any other orp breeders ever see this in there black and blues Julie I am curious. Let us know what you find out. |
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