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Post by d12chandler on Apr 28, 2012 16:13:55 GMT -5
Can you use a black that is out of black/blue cross on Lavs and not mess up? I was ask this question and I have no idea.
Don
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Post by harrys on Apr 28, 2012 18:45:06 GMT -5
Don,
I used blues and pure blacks on some lavenders and didn;t really see any significant variations between them. Just remember most people don't have the real good laced blues yet other than some of the members on here. The term BBS was used as a promotional gimmic to sell chicks and hatching eggs on another site but no one really concentrated on the lacing as required in the SOP;s, they were only interested in the green. IMO.
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Post by Heaven Sent Ranch on Apr 29, 2012 12:58:01 GMT -5
So, in your opinion, if you had two equally significant looking cockerels/roosters you would go with the black but the blue would work without much of a difference in the offspring?
I've always understood that once you put blue into a bird it's there for life and can pop up down the road. I have a flock of poor quality Lavenders and am hoping to do some work with them down the road if I can introduce a high quality black orp roo into them. What do you think of that or should I just scrap the Lavenders and start from scratch?
Debi
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Post by korfuskluckers on Apr 29, 2012 13:31:59 GMT -5
A black from a blue breeding will still be a black. I don't think it will mess up a breeding program when used with lavenders. I have noticed from my breeding the black from the blues usually lacks the green sheen the blacks from a black breeding have. The UK birds seem to have a different gene set and regardless if they are from a black to black or a black to blue breeding they still have a nice sheen. When you throw blue into the mix it is harder for a novice to breed and takes a keen eye to make sure you are getting something that is lavender and not just a washed out blue.
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Post by gayle on Apr 29, 2012 14:14:48 GMT -5
So, in your opinion, if you had two equally significant looking cockerels/roosters you would go with the black but the blue would work without much of a difference in the offspring? I've always understood that once you put blue into a bird it's there for life and can pop up down the road. I have a flock of poor quality Lavenders and am hoping to do some work with them down the road if I can introduce a high quality black orp roo into them. What do you think of that or should I just scrap the Lavenders and start from scratch? Debi How its been explained to me: Black and splash cannot dominate each other so they lay on top of each other causing a blue colored bird. Your shade of blue is determined by how many black enhancers and melanizing genes are in the breeding, there are some birds that are such a rich dark blue they can be mistaken for blacks, these birds are carying a splash gene. But from a blue to blue breeding technically and statistically an average of 25% will be a true black not carrying a splash gene. Blacks that come out of blues and Blacks that come from a pure black breeding are all going to be effected by the amount of modifiers and black enhancers they are carrying. The Lavender gene is autosomal recessive. The male and females equally carry the gene With two copies lavender is a diluting gene, changing black to the so called self blue and changing red to cream the so called porcelin You can with hard work and test mating breed this out of your flock. Using your black splits. |
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Post by gayle on Apr 29, 2012 14:21:50 GMT -5
Can you use a black that is out of black/blue cross on Lavs and not mess up? I was ask this question and I have no idea. Don I believe you can if it is a true black, there are blues that are so dark they will appear black. so don't mistake a dark blue for black. But as always blacks from blue lines and black from black lines are affected by the strength of the melanizing genes and black enhancers. |
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Post by Heaven Sent Ranch on May 1, 2012 23:05:36 GMT -5
Ok, very confusing for a novice like myself. So, I'm thinking my best option would be to stick with a true black and not take the chance that I will screw up! ;D With that said, KORFUS, KORFUS, KORFUS!!!  |
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Post by aveca on Jun 9, 2012 20:38:20 GMT -5
Very interesting, I am way too novice to get into anything like this..I see shapes combs good feet and simple color thou I do have a few blue eo,s, I'm no where near ready without apprenticeship to know for sure what would be a correct selection for this type project..it is all interesting to me..like riding in the dressage ring..you can read a book but unless you work with trainer to correct me, I would not achieve what I wanted.
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Post by korfuskluckers on Jun 12, 2012 0:03:18 GMT -5
Ok, very confusing for a novice like myself. So, I'm thinking my best option would be to stick with a true black and not take the chance that I will screw up! ;D With that said, KORFUS, KORFUS, KORFUS!!! lol......I have noticed that when breeding blues into lavenders you can get lavenders that are blue with the lavender gene. They look more metallic and lack the fretting ( black in the saddle and hackles) the end result is a cleaner looking lavender. |
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Post by aveca on Sept 27, 2012 10:04:31 GMT -5
Like i said above, i am too novice to get into lavander, i have a lot to learn ..but i am curious, is the end result to have a lavander color bird with lacing? I dont quite understand whe the end result will be..i see a lot with really no lacing..
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Post by harrys on Sept 27, 2012 14:41:35 GMT -5
Lavenders are not suppose to have lacing. There are many shades of lavender but if you use what the APA describes them as self blues they are suppose to have an even color of the same shade.
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Post by aveca on Sept 27, 2012 18:21:57 GMT -5
Thank you Harry
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