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Post by harrys on Jan 7, 2012 11:59:34 GMT -5
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Post by korfuskluckers on Jan 10, 2012 14:23:35 GMT -5
I love that color Harry!
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Post by harrys on Jan 12, 2012 17:55:11 GMT -5
Came back from the Pa Farm show which had 3 OEG bantams being called self blue but they were really in appearance of being two lavender genes and carrying one blue gene. No wonder there is so much confusion. They should have been looking like a lavender and not a combination.
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Post by harrys on Feb 5, 2012 15:30:00 GMT -5
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jeremy
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Post by jeremy on Feb 6, 2012 20:08:49 GMT -5
So these birds are both genetically Lavender and Blue Harry? Is that what creates the darker hackle and back and the lighter under color of the bird?
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Post by harrys on Feb 6, 2012 20:48:43 GMT -5
Jeremy, Yes, they are genetically both lavender and blue. The last picture appears to have a darker cape but that is the photography issue since he is much lighter than the pciture protrays. in the sunlight the cape does take on a lavenderish type color. They are lighter in color than what a poor washed out blue would look like without the lacing.
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Post by Heaven Sent Ranch on Feb 24, 2012 3:14:40 GMT -5
Hi All,
I'm pretty new to UOC, actually my second post. :-) I have a couple of questions about breeding Lavenders or I should say concerns. I've bred the Buff's (Clevenger) and the Blue's (Mostly Hink) and now I have 25 Lavender chicks coming in from Tennessee in about four weeks. I'm getting them from a flock of Hink birds that were closed last Spring. Don't be afraid to hurt my feelings here as I'm pretty tough skinned and completely new to the Lavenders.
Is it the standard that is lacking in them or color or possibly both? Is this the reason you are taking high quality blacks and breeding then into your lavenders. I hope I'm not sounding ignorant here but if I was brilliant about this I probably would be here. lol
I have been under the impression that Lavenders breed true, so the addition of the blacks is for standardization. And when crossing the black with the lavender you are getting lavender, black and split? Split being what I would refer to as a splash. Boy, I think I'm really putting my foot in my mouth here but some body say something that clears this up for me. Thanks, Debi[/i] Heaven Sent Ranch[/color]
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Post by schroeder on Feb 24, 2012 9:40:00 GMT -5
I'm new at this too, but I'll tell you what I have learned. In my case, and I think it is typical, the feathering of my Lavenders needs to be improved. The photo shows a 7 month old pullet with the same "lacey" feathers in the saddle as her female hatch mates. Their size/conformation is not as good either, as what one would expect in, for example, quality Blacks.
I'm putting a Black cock over my Lavender pullets this Spring. I will get all splits, that appear in all respects to be Blacks. When I inbreed the splits, I will get 50% Black, 25% Splits (that I can't distinguish from the Blacks) and 25% Lavenders. I'm sure someone will correct me if I've gotten any of this wrong.
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Post by schroeder on Feb 24, 2012 9:42:48 GMT -5
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Post by harrys on Feb 24, 2012 10:26:26 GMT -5
Deb, I will try and keep it simple. You don;t have to be a rocket scientist to breed chickens but you do have to have some skill at breeding quality birds and you need a mentor possibly near where you live to help. These birds are far from the SOP and you need some good blalck Orp to improve your line. Really you need some blacks with wide feathers as to what I have read. The only birds with really wide feathers that probably can help you is some of the UK birds I have seen. Then there is one or more K factors that you have to breed out of your line. Now there are other factors to deal with also the fast feathering factor VS the slow feather birds. Then there is the soft feathered birds VS the hard feathered birds. Then there is also the flecking in the neck area and the smudging in the shoulder areas to eliminate. You can achieve most of this within 5 years if done correctly. As far as breeding black to lavender you will only get black splits. It is best to use a black cock bird since some of the defects are said to be sex-linked. Then take the splits together and only keep the lavender offsprings and by being a responsible breeder either kill or send all those blacks from this mating to auction. They should never be re-introduced to anyone as black Orps. Any other information you need you can email me privately.
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Post by schroeder on Feb 24, 2012 14:43:17 GMT -5
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Post by Heaven Sent Ranch on Feb 24, 2012 20:20:49 GMT -5
Hi Harry,
Thanks for this info. I'm going to cut and paste it into a file. I've been searching for good black orps. I did find one individual who has some amazing blacks from the UK. Problem is the expense. At $200 a bird, 4-6 wks of age, I can currently afford a half a bird. :-) He doesn't sell hatching eggs or days old. I suppose I could purchase just one cockerel from him and then introduce them to my Lavender pullets.
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Post by harrys on Mar 22, 2012 21:38:28 GMT -5
Well, the two roosters that I had their pictures here are history. I culled them.
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Post by Heaven Sent Ranch on Apr 5, 2012 10:38:11 GMT -5
Hi All,
I have 24 Lavender chicks in the brooder right now. I've been working on acquiring some Blacks to go with them for next year. I might just get them this summer! :-)
Will post some pictures over the weekend.
Debi
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Post by harrys on Apr 8, 2012 18:10:57 GMT -5
I have just read on another site someone made a comment that blacks are used to improve the lavender color. I believe this to be misinformation from what I have experienced. They are only used to improve type to meet the SOP"S. Using blacks only increases the observed color defects seen generally on most lavenders. They also stated about breeding blue to blue but as always no one ever talks about the lacing pattern gene that is necessary for breeding blues. You need blacks that carry the pattern gene just ask anyone on here that has quality blues. I do not breed blues since I will need more pens for such an endeavor. Would have to toe punch all my blacks to see if they were from pure black breeding or if they should only be used in the blue pens. It is not just a simple BBS that has been coined by someone as a sales pitch.
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