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Post by d12chandler on Jun 30, 2012 15:14:34 GMT -5
I sent some black bantam chicks to Fred for his little ones to show. They are out of black orp females and a black (chocolate) split male. He said some of the males was getting red or brown in there hackles. What do you think? This is my first time doing this choc deal.
don
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Post by bamachicken on Jun 30, 2012 16:38:23 GMT -5
Was it the males or females with the breakage
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Post by Fred Kokke on Jun 30, 2012 17:57:11 GMT -5
It was a rooster. It is getting it in its tail now also. looks pretty as hailey says but not to standard. Sent picture to Don as I don't know how to put on here.
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Post by bamachicken on Jun 30, 2012 19:07:44 GMT -5
That is where I was thinking you would see it. I don't know why when you have red leakage it is usuallly the males and not the females. You can breed it out . Just dont use the male. They are usually the typiest ones.
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Post by Fred Kokke on Jun 30, 2012 19:23:20 GMT -5
Roosters out of the same hatch, that don't show any. Are they ok to use for breeding
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Post by bamachicken on Jul 1, 2012 17:22:34 GMT -5
I think you can use them. Are you crossing them back to the siblings or your blacks?
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Post by Fred Kokke on Jul 1, 2012 19:52:37 GMT -5
Everyhing I have came from Don. So I don't know if they are all the same parents or not. Others not showing any different colors.
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Post by gayle on Jul 2, 2012 11:08:35 GMT -5
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Post by gayle on Jul 2, 2012 11:20:49 GMT -5
Now that I look back I see you are talking about color break through on Black splits.
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Post by d12chandler on Jul 2, 2012 12:42:34 GMT -5
All the chicks are by a black split choc male and pure black females. There are the black babies. He is black with a little red in his hackle, and I bet he will get some in his saddle. Fred when I sent you the RIR guy I'll send you a black cock bird. He is a last year bird, I kept 3. I'm using one now, the earlier pure blacks is out of a male Warren sent me, I might do one of those. I wouldn't breed that guy with the red.
don
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Post by Fred Kokke on Jul 2, 2012 13:09:02 GMT -5
I have pleanty of roosters (7) only 2 hens rest were roosters. So I have a backup if he is ok to use. Just liked that one better until different color came.
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Post by d12chandler on Jul 2, 2012 14:48:07 GMT -5
Fred, I sent Christina the pics and she said she would put them on here. She said that is common in using a split.
don
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Post by gayle on Jul 9, 2012 13:47:14 GMT -5
From what I understand, If your black splits are showing red in the hackles and wherever else, those birds are lacking melanic black enhancers that are needed to inhibit the autosomal reds that are leaking through. They are weak in black enhancers. But this is nothing out of the ordinary. From what I understand this is a factor which occurs with breeding chocolates. In each breeding there are likely to be birds which will lose some required melanic genetics. The chocolate gene will only work on Black it cannot alter reds. So a breeder will have to be very selective on birds to be put in the breeding pens. When choosing black split roosters, use your blackest bird and test him by holding him up in the sun, the sunlight will reveal even the smallest amount of red leakage.
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Post by gaboy on Jul 21, 2012 13:43:14 GMT -5
Don I had a pullet from a breeding like that. She looked half choco and black. Eventually she turned solid black at about 5 months.
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Post by korfuskluckers on Aug 4, 2012 18:42:43 GMT -5
I responded to Fred via email. Opps, I must of misunderstood to post it on here. My fault, sorry folks. I think it is leakage on this particular bird. I do have a few that have a feather in their flights or main tail feathers, that has partial chocolate coloring. Not leakage "gold" but chocolate
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