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Splash
Jun 7, 2012 9:35:52 GMT -5
Post by gayle on Jun 7, 2012 9:35:52 GMT -5
Looking at the various pictures it appears that on some breeders the splashing is really dark almost appearing black, while on others the splashing is more of a blue. Unless this is due to the light? If this is the case then the strength of blue that is used in the breeding pen most likely will determine how dark your splash is? Also by Continuously breeding your splashes to blues will also put more splashing on the birds? ?? Does anyone else have any conclusions on this? ?
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Splash
Jun 7, 2012 10:14:32 GMT -5
Post by bamachicken on Jun 7, 2012 10:14:32 GMT -5
She is a really nnice lady to talk to also.
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Splash
Jun 7, 2012 11:07:40 GMT -5
Post by gayle on Jun 7, 2012 11:07:40 GMT -5
She has beautiful birds to look at. I like to look at other breeders birds, its very inspirational.
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Splash
Jun 7, 2012 11:17:59 GMT -5
Post by d12chandler on Jun 7, 2012 11:17:59 GMT -5
I have had my best luck on breeding blue bantams using a splash over blue. I get my best females that way. The males are to light. You also get a load of splashes. This is how I got the white splashes that I made my white orp bantams. My big problem was getting the legs white.
don
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Splash
Jun 7, 2012 12:53:22 GMT -5
Post by bamachicken on Jun 7, 2012 12:53:22 GMT -5
Don I think Galye was sharing some info somewhere on Keeping a female line and a male line for the lacing on blues
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Splash
Jun 9, 2012 21:31:54 GMT -5
Post by gayle on Jun 9, 2012 21:31:54 GMT -5
Dr Ron Okimoto expressed the breeding of female lines and breeding male lines on blue laced birds. Also many of the European breeders stressed that the male line would need more melanizers to get the rich top coat on the males. If your males do not have this rich top coat, then they have become to diluted. It a real push and shove situation. The Bl blue (one copy) dilutes black and causes it to look blue. Medium blue birds are consider to be lesser on the melanizers, (melanizers is what helps to make the bird blacker). Dark blue birds are richer on melanizers. Male birds supposedly need more black/dark enhancers= melanizers to obtain their correct blue color, or I guess a better way of putting it is to keep them from looking to washed out.
You need the Bl gene to dilute the black but at the same time you need enough black to keep the birds from being washed out or overly diluted. A real push and shove situation.
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Splash
Jun 9, 2012 22:09:02 GMT -5
Post by gayle on Jun 9, 2012 22:09:02 GMT -5
I have had my best luck on breeding blue bantams using a splash over blue. I get my best females that way. The males are to light. You also get a load of splashes. This is how I got the white splashes that I made my white orp bantams. My big problem was getting the legs white. don Don There are breeders who are using splash genes to clean up whites. Not only whites but I was talking to a breeder the other day who put black on eb silver columbians resulting in the hatching of blue baby chicks. So how did the Bl/ Bl gene get in columbians? Somebody bred it in I believe. or what is going on???
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Splash
Jun 10, 2012 14:06:53 GMT -5
Post by gayle on Jun 10, 2012 14:06:53 GMT -5
I have now come across several breeders who claim that breeding splash to splash is a bad idea, because with each subsequent breedings you will be diluting the birds more, with each Splash x Splash breeding your birds will be paler, faded, less splash, washed out. Splash is a true diluting gene, if you breed splash to what you consider a correct blue, the blue will be diluted more. Acording to breeders you might want to use blues that are a bit darker then the desired blue you are breeding for when breeding splash x Blue, considering that the splash will dilute it. And to keep your splash a rich heavy splash you want to use rich colored blues, which can feed melanizers into the splash to keep it from fading out. It's a real balancing act. As they say when push comes to shove.
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Splash
Jun 10, 2012 17:18:43 GMT -5
Post by gayle on Jun 10, 2012 17:18:43 GMT -5
Hi Don This is off subject, but pertaining to white orps
blue legs are id+ dermal melanin causing blue shanks legs This is a sex-linked recessive gene carried on the male chromosone
Id/Id Light shank/legged rooster Id/id+ light shanked rooster usually with a silver hue on legs id+/id+ Blue Shanked legged rooster
id+/_ Blue legged hen (a hen carries one male chromosone) Id/_ light shanked legged hen
when your whites show up with blue legs. Bring in a rooster that has the light leggs he will be Id/Id light shank/legged rooster. Breed him to your blue legged hen the females will come out with light legs, but your males will all be carrying a gene for blue legs although they won't show it..
Now if you breed one of the young F1 roosters back to the young F1 females, half your females will come out with blue legs and the other half will have light legs on the average. Half your rooster will be Id/Id light legged and the other half of the roosters will be Id/id+ having light shanks carrying a blue shank gene, although they will appear light legged.
Always use the roosters with the light legs hopefully they will be pure Id/Id pure light shanks.
or and also you can breed B sex-linked barring gene into the birds which will inhibit tissue pigment, inhibiting blue leggs or will lighten the blue pigment.
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Splash
Jun 11, 2012 23:33:32 GMT -5
Post by teresa on Jun 11, 2012 23:33:32 GMT -5
Okay first post. I hope this is okay. Christina - do you remember me? I am the one from Omak that talked your ear off at Monroe....Also, I had Quincy and I bought the 2 pullets from you. Anyway, this is my splash baby (purchased eggs) hatched 4/29/2012. I will not be keeping her/him....only have limited space so going to focus on blacks and blues. but I found this thread interesting. I did not realize that splash was not a recognized color. Actually, Christina - you ever in Omak area? I want someone to check out the babies I have to help me decide who stays and who goes. And my photo is tiny. I will eventually figure it out.
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Splash
Jun 11, 2012 23:58:17 GMT -5
Post by korfuskluckers on Jun 11, 2012 23:58:17 GMT -5
Okay first post. I hope this is okay. Christina - do you remember me? I am the one from Omak that talked your ear off at Monroe....Also, I had Quincy and I bought the 2 pullets from you. Anyway, this is my splash baby (purchased eggs) hatched 4/29/2012. I will not be keeping her/him....only have limited space so going to focus on blacks and blues. but I found this thread interesting. I did not realize that splash was not a recognized color. Actually, Christina - you ever in Omak area? I want someone to check out the babies I have to help me decide who stays and who goes. And my photo is tiny. I will eventually figure it out. Hi Teresa, yes I remember you lol. I might be heading that way later on this summer with some friends. I need to find out the dates and I will get back to you. The juvie looks like a pullet. I would keep that one a little longer till you can tell what she will be. I think splashes can be very valuable to a breeding program of blues.
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Splash
Jun 12, 2012 7:27:29 GMT -5
Post by teresa on Jun 12, 2012 7:27:29 GMT -5
(hope I am doing this correctly)....LOL. Christina, that would be great if you are up in this area and later summer is perfect. That gives everyone time to grow up some more. They are all too young to tell. I have the 8 week olds...then some that are only a few days and a week or 2 old. and I know that at this age it is impossible to tell. I did not realize that splashes helped with the blues. Thank you for yet more education - you are the best. Talk to you later.
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Splash
Jun 12, 2012 16:42:00 GMT -5
Post by bamachicken on Jun 12, 2012 16:42:00 GMT -5
Beside being useful in breeding we are hoping to work on getting accepted in the Standard. I am using my splash pullets to help lighten the blue color and using my splash cockerel for the same reason. Hoping I hatch some blues with outstanding lacing and color later this year. My splash have great type
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Splash
Jun 12, 2012 22:42:57 GMT -5
Post by teresa on Jun 12, 2012 22:42:57 GMT -5
Beside being useful in breeding we are hoping to work on getting accepted in the Standard. I am using my splash pullets to help lighten the blue color and using my splash cockerel for the same reason. Hoping I hatch some blues with outstanding lacing and color later this year. My splash have great type Oh, if I do get rid of her/him I will rehome/sell...I really think that these are pretty nice birds. She won't become freezer filler. I am just so limited for space at this time I just don't know if I will be able to keep. Actually, she might do better for "the cause" elsewhere. I will wait and see how she grows out. I have room for 3...maybe 4 pens of trios or quads of orps. But I have a lot of work to do to be able to do this. I have 1 pen of trio already right now.
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Splash
Jun 17, 2012 12:47:26 GMT -5
Post by korfuskluckers on Jun 17, 2012 12:47:26 GMT -5
Beside being useful in breeding we are hoping to work on getting accepted in the Standard. I am using my splash pullets to help lighten the blue color and using my splash cockerel for the same reason. Hoping I hatch some blues with outstanding lacing and color later this year. My splash have great type Oh, if I do get rid of her/him I will rehome/sell...I really think that these are pretty nice birds. She won't become freezer filler. I am just so limited for space at this time I just don't know if I will be able to keep. Actually, she might do better for "the cause" elsewhere. I will wait and see how she grows out. I have room for 3...maybe 4 pens of trios or quads of orps. But I have a lot of work to do to be able to do this. I have 1 pen of trio already right now. I think you might end up liking her. The one draw back of Orpingtons is that they take so long to grow out. You can cull younger when you get an eye for it. I made that mistake many times.
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