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Post by Jon Alden on Dec 31, 2011 0:09:18 GMT -5
I just typed this up and might have missed a cross or two. Also the Barring also applies to Cuckoo and Lemon Cuckoo. Dun takes the place of Blue in the genetics with the splash being called khaki.
Common Genetic Combinations expected offspring out of 100
Blue Gene (Incomplete Dominance)
Blue x Blue= 25 splash 50 blue 25 Black
Black x Blue= 50 Black 50 Blue
Splash x Blue= 50 Splash 50 Blue
Splash x Black= 100 Blue
Lavender/ Self Blue (Recessive)
Lav x Black= 100 Black split to Lav
Black Split x Black Spit= 25 Lav 50 Black Split 25 Black
Black Split x Lav = 50 Black split 50 Lav
Sex Linked Genes Males listed first females second, out of 100 for each gender
Barred ( Sex Linked Dominant)
Barred x Barred= 100 Barred males 100 Barred females
Barred x Black = 100 Barred split (Barring shown) Males 100 Barred Females
Black x Barred= 100 Barred split males 100 Black females
Barred split x Barred= 50 Barred split males 50 Barred males 50 Barred males 50 Black females
Barred split x Black= 50 Black males 50 Barred males 50 Barred females 50 Black females
Chocolate (Sex Linked Recessive)
Choc x Choc = 100 Choc males 100 Choc females
Choc x Black = 100 Choc split (Black showing) males 100 Choc females
Choc split x Choc= 50 Choc males 50 Choc split males 50 Choc females 50 Black females
Choc split x Black= 50 Choc split males 50 Black males 50 Choc females 50 Black females
Black x Choc = 100 Choc split males 100 Black females
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Post by homegroanacers on Dec 31, 2011 14:27:03 GMT -5
Thank You Jon  I will spend much time trying to understand it ... My first question is, Why does the order of color make a differences? Choc x Black = 100 Choc split (Black showing) males 100 Choc females Black x Choc = 100 Choc split males 100 Black females John |
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Post by Jon Alden on Dec 31, 2011 17:29:34 GMT -5
Thank You Jon I will spend much time trying to understand it ... My first question is, Why does the order of color make a differences? Choc x Black = 100 Choc split (Black showing) males 100 Choc females Black x Choc = 100 Choc split males 100 Black females John The Chocolate Gene is Sex linked so the carries 2 genes but the female carries only one, so the female always gets the sex linked genes from the father where as the males get them from both mother and father. Does this make sense? |
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Post by d12chandler on Dec 31, 2011 17:33:58 GMT -5
Choc split X Choc is that right.
don
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Post by Jon Alden on Dec 31, 2011 17:44:32 GMT -5
Choc split X Choc is that right. don Nope thats not will fix it Thanks |
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Post by homegroanacers on Dec 31, 2011 17:51:48 GMT -5
Second Question: A Black, out of the Blue Gene (Incomplete Dominance) Blue x Blue= 25 splash 50 blue 25 Black, carries no Blue gene so a mating of Black to Black would produce only Black ? Third Question  Where the heck does the Blue gene go! Just disappears? My head hurts!!!!  John |
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Post by d12chandler on Dec 31, 2011 17:59:53 GMT -5
Several years ago Stoney (son) had Black Old English, I got a trio from Ralph Sheriff and later I got a new male from Bill Wulff. We never had a blue on the place. We hatched like 100 black babies and had 2 splash pullets. They say that can't happen. It did in Watonga, Ok.
Don
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Post by pipsandpeeps on Dec 31, 2011 18:24:43 GMT -5
Second Question: A Black, out of the Blue Gene (Incomplete Dominance) Blue x Blue= 25 splash 50 blue 25 Black, carries no Blue gene so a mating of Black to Black would produce only Black ? Third Question Where the heck does the Blue gene go! Just disappears? My head hurts!!!! John John, Do you understand algebra very well?? Think of blue as Bb. When you multiply Bb X Bb like in a punnet square, you end up with BB, Bb, bB, and bb. BB = black Bb = blue bb = splash Does that help? |
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Post by lildinkem on Dec 31, 2011 18:30:43 GMT -5
Several years ago Stoney (son) had Black Old English, I got a trio from Ralph Sheriff and later I got a new male from Bill Wulff. We never had a blue on the place. We hatched like 100 black babies and had 2 splash pullets. They say that can't happen. It did in Watonga, Ok. Don I think there are alot of hidden genetics in most of our birds. I hatched out a Lavender cock from Harry. Breed him to a Single comb Black hen. And got a rather decent Blue Cuckoo male. Certainly wasn't expecting that. I also read that it very unlikely to get a Rosecomb offsrping from 2 single comb parents. Not only I got one, but I got 2. And I know that they had to have had that gene passed down from my Meyer hatchery/Orp mixed cock. He threw a Lemon Blue Ameraucana when he was taken to a purebred Korfus Blue Splash hen. And the mix throws banties too!. I shown Jon Alden my 2 Rosecomb Cuckoo Bantam Orp pullets at Crossroads. One I whacked since she had a lousy tail but kept the other who looks quite nice for a homemade Bantam Orp. yet alone a Rosecomb Cuckoo. |
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Post by Jon Alden on Dec 31, 2011 19:10:37 GMT -5
Several years ago Stoney (son) had Black Old English, I got a trio from Ralph Sheriff and later I got a new male from Bill Wulff. We never had a blue on the place. We hatched like 100 black babies and had 2 splash pullets. They say that can't happen. It did in Watonga, Ok. Don I think there are alot of hidden genetics in most of our birds. I hatched out a Lavender cock from Harry. Breed him to a Single comb Black hen. And got a rather decent Blue Cuckoo male. Certainly wasn't expecting that. I also read that it very unlikely to get a Rosecomb offsrping from 2 single comb parents. Not only I got one, but I got 2. And I know that they had to have had that gene passed down from my Meyer hatchery/Orp mixed cock. He threw a Lemon Blue Ameraucana when he was taken to a purebred Korfus Blue Splash hen. And the mix throws banties too!. I shown Jon Alden my 2 Rosecomb Cuckoo Bantam Orp pullets at Crossroads. One I whacked since she had a lousy tail but kept the other who looks quite nice for a homemade Bantam Orp. yet alone a Rosecomb Cuckoo. I know of another person that got RC out of SC other then me and you. |
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Post by pipsandpeeps on Jan 1, 2012 11:45:08 GMT -5
Second Question: A Black, out of the Blue Gene (Incomplete Dominance) Blue x Blue= 25 splash 50 blue 25 Black, carries no Blue gene so a mating of Black to Black would produce only Black ? Third Question Where the heck does the Blue gene go! Just disappears? My head hurts!!!! John John, Do you understand algebra very well?? Think of blue as Bb. When you multiply Bb X Bb like in a punnet square, you end up with BB, Bb, bB, and bb. BB = black Bb = blue bb = splash Does that help? Here is an online book you can read about genetics also. The link here is the page on blue: chla.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=chla&cc=chla&idno=2837819&q1=Genetics+of+the+Fowl&frm=frameset&view=image&seq=198Just wanted to add, it does not cover lavender or chocolate though....  |
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Post by homegroanacers on Apr 2, 2012 14:09:48 GMT -5
Second Question: A Black, out of the Blue Gene (Incomplete Dominance) Blue x Blue= 25 splash 50 blue 25 Black, carries no Blue gene so a mating of Black to Black would produce only Black ? Third Question Where the heck does the Blue gene go! Just disappears? My head hurts!!!! John John, Do you understand algebra very well?? Think of blue as Bb. When you multiply Bb X Bb like in a punnet square, you end up with BB, Bb, bB, and bb. BB = black Bb = blue bb = splash Does that help? Sorry to take so long to get back to you!! If any thing has to do with algebra I am deep trouble. I will try to learn by show and tell.....and to that end I will post some pictures of chicks showing colors, then stand back and watch ya'll giggle and chuckle ;D John |
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Post by homegroanacers on Apr 2, 2012 14:21:55 GMT -5
The following pictures are of White on White and Black on Black breeding's. IF you look close you can see what looks more like a "Sham Plain" on some of the whites and on the blacks you can see some strips of ? on the head and part of the wings. Now Please Please do not take this as any knock against anyone I am simply trying to learn... There could have been a black cuckoo egg or two in this group but I doubt it due the age of the pullet.     John |
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