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May 12, 2012 19:50:52 GMT -5
Post by gayle on May 12, 2012 19:50:52 GMT -5
Bill
Your birds are obviously carrying the Pg pattern gene. Most likely they are Pg+Ml+Co
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May 15, 2012 8:47:37 GMT -5
Post by gayle on May 15, 2012 8:47:37 GMT -5
here is more info on Lacing kippenjungle.nl/basisEN.htmA quote from this website the emphasis that a good laced bird will be (Pg+Ml+Co). The columbian contributes to the single lacing.so if your birds are blue with lacing your birds are most likely (Pg+Ml+Co). so keep breeding laced birds to laced birds, keep the none laced blues out of the breeding pen, unless you have blues you want to add lacing to, then breedthem with a laced bird. In 3 to 4 breeding (by breeding them back to a well laced bird)you should have some good lacing on the birds which were originally nonlaced birds.
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May 17, 2012 18:47:18 GMT -5
Post by korfuskluckers on May 17, 2012 18:47:18 GMT -5
Thanks Gayle, good information!
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May 26, 2012 23:03:36 GMT -5
Post by gayle on May 26, 2012 23:03:36 GMT -5
Quote from Dr. Ron Okimoto 2002
The implication here: Breed a female line and then also breed a male line.
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May 27, 2012 10:50:41 GMT -5
Post by gayle on May 27, 2012 10:50:41 GMT -5
quote from Dr. Ron Okimoto
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Jun 20, 2012 21:28:31 GMT -5
Post by gayle on Jun 20, 2012 21:28:31 GMT -5
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Jun 21, 2012 9:04:07 GMT -5
Post by bamachicken on Jun 21, 2012 9:04:07 GMT -5
Gayle sent you a pm with the picture of the blue boy I was talking to you about
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Jul 22, 2012 15:00:36 GMT -5
Post by gayle on Jul 22, 2012 15:00:36 GMT -5
I have now run accross several breeders who use and claim that using birds who are on the eb locus will contribute to good lacing on blues. and adding Db (Dark brown) which can contribute to a columbian type effect. or use strickly the columbian genetics. There fore using eb columbians is prefered by some to developing blue laced birds. Of course the Pg pattern gene and the Ml melonatic gene is needed.
The true black and/or blue wyndotes are supppose to be on the eb locus. Also eb columbians have contributed to good lacing on blue birds according to various breeders.
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Jul 23, 2013 12:58:35 GMT -5
Post by gayle on Jul 23, 2013 12:58:35 GMT -5
I'm bumping this back to the top for those who are interested in Laced blue orpingtons. the laced blue orpington is a dominant trait, and recessive non laced birds can still show up in the flock for 3 years +. Unless you have a flock that is well segregated. We hatch a large number of blues this year. Each year the lacing appears to improve. I still have not attempted a female and male line as Dr. Okimoto suggested. Has any one done this yet, developed male and female lines. I do agree with our breeding friend that you only want to used laced birds in the breeding pen after one has developed the lacing in their flock. considering it can take up to 3-4 years of breading to put good lacing on non laced birds. As one of our breeding friends pointed out, each time you use non laced or weakly laced birds on well laced birds, you will be jeopardizing the lacing in your flock genetic wise.
According to another breeder, if you are starting out with weakly laced birds, by strict culling and selection, within 3-4 years you can improve the lacing on the birds. as one breeder told me you are doubling the factor.
As another breeder pointed out one needs the Pg pattern gene, ML melonotic gene and the Co columbian restrictor gene ( these are dominant genes) to develop lacing on your birds. By phenotype one can observe if the birds are carrying these genetics
And I have had breeders step forward and tell me that you can have exceptional laced blue that are carrying recessive sex-linked gold and the gold will not show. Now that is comforting. But do cull out those that have gold leakage.
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Jul 23, 2013 13:31:00 GMT -5
Post by harrys on Jul 23, 2013 13:31:00 GMT -5
Gayle, I do not breed blues really. I only have a few tokens in my flock. Let me ask you what should the down color be on a good black that carries the lacing. Since I only keep black chicks that are E/E down color with the penquin pattern I know they are not the ones for breeding blue. What down color have you found to be correct?
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Jul 23, 2013 14:16:22 GMT -5
Post by gayle on Jul 23, 2013 14:16:22 GMT -5
Gayle, I do not breed blues really. I only have a few tokens in my flock. Let me ask you what should the down color be on a good black that carries the lacing. Since I only keep black chicks that are E/E down color with the penquin pattern I know they are not the ones for breeding blue. What down color have you found to be correct? Harry you have me thinking on this one but I believe my blacks that hatch from my blue line hatch with the penguin color. Unless if your blacks are sitting on birchen. most of my blues are sitting on E/E I have had blacks that started E/eb but I believe by continuous breeding they developed into E/E birds I had blacks crossed onto eb silver columbians, the benefit I obtained from this was the columbian restrictor. which helped the lacing on the blues. you can have E/E blacks that have the PG, ML and the columbian gene. a black E/E can have the culumbian gene, but the Columbian gene doesn't show on E/E it doesn't even work on E/E, but it can still carry the gene. I have some E/E blacks which came from my blues that have a gorgeous green sheen.
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Jul 23, 2013 18:20:34 GMT -5
Post by gayle on Jul 23, 2013 18:20:34 GMT -5
from the info I've obtained from other breeders. If you are raising E/E blacks and blues you will benefit from your blacks carrying PG, ML, and Co. When the blacks are diluted with the Bl(blue splash gene)all the genetics will be in place to have laced blues. Again it was there all the time, but the lacing couldn't make its appearance until the black was diluted. Bl dilutes the black so you can see the lacing that was always there. now if you blacks are not carrying, Pg, Ml , and Co, when the black is diluted. it will show up as a blue bird without lacing.
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Jul 24, 2013 14:18:48 GMT -5
Post by gayle on Jul 24, 2013 14:18:48 GMT -5
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Jul 24, 2013 16:10:32 GMT -5
Post by gayle on Jul 24, 2013 16:10:32 GMT -5
as can be seen from the quote: blacks that are from laced blues. will carry with them the Pg,Ml, and Co Although you can not see these genetics in the black, they are still there, the black prevents them from appearing although lacing is a dominant traits. But if you get the bird in the correct light you can see the lacing underneath the black. When one copy Bl splash is applied the black will be diluted and the lacing will show. They imply that this will also work the same on ER/ER birchen. If you have black that are birchen base From studies they have concluded that the Blue Andulusian genetics are the same as the Blue Orpingtons www.edelras.nl/chickengenetics/genotypes.htmlAndalusian Blue
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Sept 5, 2013 11:42:04 GMT -5
Post by harrys on Sept 5, 2013 11:42:04 GMT -5
I finally got a blue almost totally void of lacing. This is what they must have called SELF BLUE many years ago before the Lavender even existed. This came from a white cross but not sure which white strain I have either the orignial APA white or the imported one. It is a pullet and it is only for one of my projects. Since I do not breed blues even though I have only 1 or two depending on what I keep this year this bird is only for a project and will not be used in blue breeding as not to contaminate the blues that are out there right now. Maybe when she is just about full grown I will see if my son will help me post a picture.
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